{"id":943,"date":"2019-01-02T22:54:48","date_gmt":"2019-01-02T22:54:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/generic.wordpress.soton.ac.uk\/skywritings\/?p=943"},"modified":"2019-01-02T22:54:48","modified_gmt":"2019-01-02T22:54:48","slug":"debate-should-we-stop-eating-animals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/generic.wordpress.soton.ac.uk\/skywritings\/2019\/01\/02\/debate-should-we-stop-eating-animals\/","title":{"rendered":"Debate: Should we stop eating animals?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/crowsheadsoup.wordpress.com\/2013\/11\/19\/black\/o-ontarioabattoir-9930\/\"><img width='600' height='398' border='0' hspace='5' src='\/~totl\/skywritings\/uploads\/slaughter2.jpg' alt='' \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><i>(Version fran\u00e7aise suit ci-dessous)<\/i><\/p>\n<p>The Debate &#8220;<i><b>Should we stop eating animals?<\/b><\/i> &#8220;Organized by the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sceptiques.qc.ca\/activites\/conferences\/aout-2015\">Quebec Skeptics<\/a> at the <a href=\"http:\/\/fondhum.org\/le-centre\/le-centre-humaniste-du-quebec\">Quebec Humanist Centre<\/a> August 13, 2015 is easy to summarize:<\/p>\n<p>Both voices for YES (Christiane Bailey, U Montreal, and Dany Plouffe, McGill U) argued that:<\/p>\n<p>1. Eating animals is unnecessary for our survival or health<\/p>\n<p>2. To breed, rear and slaughter animals causes suffering<\/p>\n<p>3. We should not cause unnecessary suffering<\/p>\n<p>So we should not eat animals.<\/p>\n<p>(In addition, they added that if we stopped eating animals it would be better for the health of the planet and for human health.)<\/p>\n<p>The two voices for  NO (Cyrille Barrette, Laval U, and Jean-Pierre Vaillancourt, U Montreal) argued that:<\/p>\n<p>CB1: There are continuities and discontinuities in the Darwinian evolution of species: we should respect the differences and distances between species<\/p>\n<p>CB2: Humans are the only species that is \u201caltrusitic\u201d and has the capacity to make choices and laws; pain is not the same as suffering; we should respect these differences<\/p>\n<p>CB3: We evolved as omnivores; let\u2019s continue to eat everything we evolved to be able to eat<\/p>\n<p>J-PV1: Animals industrially bred and slaughtered suffer, but not that much<\/p>\n<p>J-PV2: Whether they suffer too much to justify eating is a matter of opinion and free choice<\/p>\n<p>(J-PV also challenged the degree of benefit for the planet if we stopped breeding animals to eat; he also cited the business interests of the meat industry)<\/p>\n<p>There was no vote taken. Readers can draw their own conclusions from my summary. I think I have not omitted anything important, nor distorted or biased anything.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"D0u6q0NZsi\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/modernfarmer.com\/2013\/04\/this-is-what-humane-slaughter-looks-like-is-it-good-enough\/\">This Is What Humane Slaughter Looks Like. Is It Good Enough?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" src=\"https:\/\/modernfarmer.com\/2013\/04\/this-is-what-humane-slaughter-looks-like-is-it-good-enough\/embed\/#?secret=D0u6q0NZsi\" data-secret=\"D0u6q0NZsi\" width=\"525\" height=\"296\" title=\"&#8220;This Is What Humane Slaughter Looks Like. Is It Good Enough?&#8221; &#8212; Modern Farmer\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>D\u00c9BAT : DOIT-ON CESSER DE MANGER DES ANIMAUX ?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Le D\u00e9bat \u00ab Doit-on cesser de manger des animaux ? \u00bb organis\u00e9 par <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sceptiques.qc.ca\/activites\/conferences\/aout-2015\">Les Sceptiques du Qu\u00e9bec<\/a> au <a href=\"http:\/\/fondhum.org\/le-centre\/le-centre-humaniste-du-quebec\">Centre Humaniste du Qu\u00e9bec<\/a> le 13 ao\u00fbt 2015 est facile \u00e0 r\u00e9sumer:<\/p>\n<p>Les deux voix pour le OUI (Christiane Bailey, UdeM, et Dany Plouffe, U McGill) ont soutenu que:<br \/>\n1. Manger les animaux (non-humains) n\u2019est pas n\u00e9cessaire ni \u00e0 la vie, nie \u00e0 la survie humaine<\/p>\n<p>2. \u00c9lever et abattre les animaux cause la souffrance.<\/p>\n<p>3. On ne doit pas causer la souffrance sans n\u00e9cessit\u00e9<\/p>\n<p>Donc on ne doit pas manger les animaux.<\/p>\n<p>(En suppl\u00e9ment, ils ont ajout\u00e9 que si les humains ne mangeaient plus les animaux \u00e7a serait meilleur pour la sant\u00e9 de la plan\u00e8te ainsi que pour la sant\u00e9 humaine.)<\/p>\n<p>Les deux voix pour le NON (Cyrille Barrette, U Laval, er Jean-Pierre Vaillancourt, UdeM) ont soutenu que:<\/p>\n<p>CB1: Il y a des continuit\u00e9s ainsi que des discontinuit\u00e9s dans l\u2019\u00e9volution darwinienne des esp\u00e8ces: on doit respecter les diff\u00e9rences ainsi que les distances entre les esp\u00e8ces<\/p>\n<p>CB2: Les humains sont la seule esp\u00e8ce \u00ab altruiste \u00bb avec la capacit\u00e9 de faire les choix et les lois; la douleur n&#8217;est pas la m\u00eame chose que la souffrance;  on doit respecter ces diff\u00e9rences<\/p>\n<p>CB3: L\u2019\u00e9volution nous a adapt\u00e9 \u00e0 \u00eatre omnivores: Continuons \u00e0 manger tout ce que nous sommes adapt\u00e9s \u00e0 manger<\/p>\n<p>J-PV1: Les animaux d\u2019\u00e9levage souffrent, mais pas autant que \u00e7a<\/p>\n<p>J-PV2: S\u2019ils souffrent trop pour justifier les manger c&#8217;est une question d\u2019opinion et de libre choix<\/p>\n<p>(J-PV a aussi contest\u00e9 le degr\u00e9 des b\u00e9n\u00e9fices qu&#8217;il y aurait pour la plan\u00e8te  s\u2019il n\u2019y avait plus d\u2019\u00e9levage des animaux de consommation; il a cit\u00e9 aussi les int\u00e9r\u00eats commerciaux de l&#8217;industrie de la viande)<\/p>\n<p>On n\u2019a pas pris le vote. Les lecteurs peuvent tirer leur propres conclusions \u00e0 partir de mon r\u00e9sum\u00e9. Je crois que je n\u2019ai rien omis d\u2019important, ni rien distordu ou biais\u00e9.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Version fran\u00e7aise suit ci-dessous) The Debate &#8220;Should we stop eating animals? &#8220;Organized by the Quebec Skeptics at the Quebec Humanist Centre August 13, 2015 is easy to summarize: Both voices for YES (Christiane Bailey, U Montreal, and Dany Plouffe, McGill U) argued that: 1. Eating animals is unnecessary for our survival or health 2. 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