It is apparently more than just a semantic matter, but a cognitive one, when one gets the cognitively impenetrable
idée fixe that OA = OA publishing. OA just means
free online access.
"coglanglab" writes:
"coglanglab":
"there are other open-access models"
No, there are OA
publishing models. OA itself just means free online access. OA ≠ OA publishing. OA is not a "model." Nor are researchers, making their own published articles freely accessible online, nor their institutions and funders, mandating it, a "model."
Maybe lexical markers will help: OA (free online access) can be provided in
two different ways. OA provided through OA journal publishing is called "Gold OA". OA provided through author self-archiving of non-OA journal articles is called "Green OA."
You have unfortunately contracted the (widespread) syndrome of "
Gold Fever," whose only perceived goal becomes Gold OA!
But the OA problem is not journal affordability or economic models, it is
research accessibility. Gold fever conflates the two, whereas both the NIH Mandate and the HR 801's attempt to overturn it are about
Green OA.
"coglanglab":
"everybody... understands that these [mandatory Green OA] policies hurt subscription-based journals"Everybody? Not those in the best position to know, apparently, namely, the publishers whose authors have been making their articles (Green) OA the most and the longest:
Swan (2005) "we asked the American Physical Society (APS) and the Institute of Physics Publishing Ltd (IOPP) what their experiences have been over the 14 years that arXiv has been in existence. How many subscriptions have been lost as a result of arXiv? Both societies said they could not identify any losses of subscriptions for this reason and that they do not view arXiv as a threat to their business (rather the opposite -- in fact the APS helped establish an arXiv mirror site at the Brookhaven National Laboratory)"
Mandated Green OA might or might not eventually lead to Gold OA. That is all just hypothetical conjecture and counterconjecture. What is certain is that it will lead to OA itself: free online access. And that is what the OA movement is all about and for.
"coglanglab":
"papers still need to go through peer-review and publication"And your point is...?
NIH mandates providing Green OA to fundees' final drafts of their peer-reviewed journal articles.
"coglanglab":
"we have two models: subscription-based journals... and open-access journals"Yes. And we have one OA -- free online access -- which can be achieved quickly and surely once Green OA is mandated. And that is what both the NIH Mandate and the Conyers Bill's attempt to overturn it are about. The rest is all distracting and profitless speculation about models for publication cost-recovery, not OA, which means free online access.
"coglanglab":
"[Harnad's] focus is not on open-access journals... so he has some stake in pointing out that there are other open-access models" My focus is on OA, so I have a stake in pointing out that a focus on Gold OA cost-recovery models is missing the point of the NIH policy, which is about mandating Green OA. And OA is not a "model"; it is free online access to peer-reviewed journal articles.
"coglanglab":
"If these policies make the subscription-based journals less profitable, then the open-access journals presumably become more competitive"Gold Fever, again: The purpose of the NIH policy is to provide OA -- free online access to the peer-reviewed journal articles resulting from NIH funding -- which it is doing as a matter of certainty by mandating Green OA. The rest is irrelevant speculation and counterspeculation about
hypothetical sequelae.
"coglanglab":
"If the open-access policies force subscription-based publishers to raise their own publication fees or go out of business, this presumably should help open-access journals..."
If they do and
if it does,
then presumably it will. But this is all just hypothetical speculation. What the NIH mandate
actually does, with certainty, is provide OA (free online access), remember? And access -- not speculative economics -- is what the OA is about, and for.
"coglanglab":
"if there are good reasons to believe that policies like those of NIH and Harvard harm open-access journals and subscription journals alike, then I'd like to know..."
There are good reasons to believe that universal mandated Green OA might eventually induce a transition to Gold OA and there are also good reasons to believe it might not. But what is certain is that that universal mandated Green OA will provide universal OA -- and that the Conyers Bill (HR 801), if passed, will slow or stop that.
So it might be a good idea to restrain the impulse to just keep speculating and counterspeculating about future publishing cost-recovery models and focus instead on providing universal OA while we are still compos mentis and in a position to profit (mentally) from it. And that requires defeating the Conyers Bill.
"coglanglab":
"I'm not really sure what Harnad was getting at in pointing out that some non-profit journals also support Conyers' bill..."The opposition to Green OA mandates like NIH's comes from journal publishers who argue that it will reduce their revenues and might eventually make the subscription model unsustainable. They may be right or they may be wrong. But they definitely include both for-profit and non-profit publishers.
And, to repeat, OA is
free online access to (peer-reviewed) research. OA's purpose is to solve the research accessibility problem. (Not all would-be users can afford to access all research output online today.) Gold OA cannot be mandated. (Publishers are not the fundees or employees of research funders and institutions; the money to pay for Gold OA publishing is currently tied up in subscriptions; research funds are already scarce; and authors don't like to be told where to publish, nor to be required to pay for it.) But Green OA can be mandated, and is being mandated, by NIH
plus 66 further funders and institutions worldwide, with many other mandate proposals on the way.
If we can shake off the Gold Fever just long enough to reach for the Green OA that is fully within our grasp, we will have reached (at long last) the optimal, inevitable (and long overdue) outcome for research, researchers, their institutions and funders, the R & D industry, students, teachers, the developing world, and the tax-paying public who fund the research and for whose benefit the research is conducted.
Gold Fever instead focuses obsessively on publishing economics: the publishing tail, that has for too long been wagging the research dog. Green OA mandates are simply the research community taking into its own hands the matter of providing free online access to their own peer-reviewed research output. Whether the peer review service costs continue to be paid via subscriptions, or are instead paid via Gold-OA fees covered out of subscription cancellation savings is a minor matter concerning the dog's tail. We should stop letting that tail wag the dog, by focusing on mandating Green OA (and defeating Conyers-like Bills that try to oppose it), today.
Stevan Harnad
American Scientist Open Access Forum